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Restoration / Re: Winch ID
« on: January 10, 2020, 10:55:14 PM »
I notice this winch is currently for sale on Ebay, see, with a sufficiently large number of photos in high resolution (two of them identical to the tiny ones here) and a description which indicates the winch was made by South Coast... Please don't waste other people's time.

Restoration / Re: Winch ID
« on: January 10, 2020, 08:43:36 PM »
Hm, I'd rather doubt that this winch was made by Herreshoff. May I ask what makes you think that it is Herreshoff? Do you know anything about the history of your winch? Where did it come from.

Your photos are awfully small (only 256 pixels) and it is almost impossible to see anything on them.

What is the barrel's outer diameter at the top?

HMCo made two similar winches. Both were used among others on the S-Class. One is shown on Plan 112-072 with a 3 1/2" diameter at the top (see The other is a small jib winch with a 2" diameter at the top (see

But both appear to have not the slotted screw in the center and a different barrel section.

Restoration / Re: Original-look paint for half model HMCo #486
« on: November 29, 2019, 12:43:52 PM »
While you can't go very wrong with off-white and green, my sense is that it will be difficult to pin down exact color tones. These were probably changed over time as a function of what was available, who mixed the paint, personal tastes, etc. Pure white was simply unavailable because titanium dioxide as a whitening agent had not been invented yet. Likewise, stable high-gloss paint systems were unavailable back then, thus you may want to consider no gloss or low gloss paint.

The question about builder's plates is an interesting one because at this time we do not even know what kind of a builder's plate the boat had. Was it a plate like the one on #425s Wee Winn at the Herreshoff Museum or the very different but well-known rectangular German silver plate which is documented only for boats with a hull number of #515s or later. When in doubt probably choose the latter.

Restoration / Re: Original-look paint for half model HMCo #486
« on: November 21, 2019, 10:05:49 PM »
When in doubt off-white (not pure white, they didn't have it then!) above the waterline, and green below the waterline. Not glossy.

Green comes out black on black&white photos. Green was specified in many HMCo contracts.

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: Queen Mab/Vagrant
« on: June 19, 2019, 11:11:31 AM »
Fascinating! Thank you for posting this!

Information like this is always appreciated, thank you very much!

Boston Boat Works was founded by Scott Smith and Mark Lindsay and they are still associated with the company as per its website.

Time to contact them?

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: 12 1/2 named Jamie
« on: May 02, 2017, 06:20:48 PM »
Good thinking, Adam. That's probably what it is. Thanks for your thoughts. Amusing that the seller is putting the photo of Minx' builder's plate in. Misleading, too.

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: 12 1/2 named Jamie
« on: April 25, 2017, 05:48:06 PM »
The Herreshoff Marine Museum does not know more about this boat (Jamie) other than that the builder's plate displayed in the advertisement for Jamie is identical (and I mean identical not duplicate) to the one attached to the Museum's own #1376s Minx. Which would imply that the Jamie advertisement features a builder's plate that does not belong to Jamie. Hence my original inquiry.

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / 12 1/2 named Jamie
« on: April 19, 2017, 02:28:23 PM »
See "Used Sail boat Herreshoff 12 for sale located in Annapolis,MD,United States, founded in 1981. The manufacturer of boat - Herreshoff. It`s overall length is 4.88 meters. Engine uses fuel. You can get it just for 19500 USD."

The information in the advertisement (built 1981, uses fuel) is strange.

What's even stranger is that one of the photos clearly shows a #1376 builder's plate.

That would be #1376s Minx which, as I just confirmed, is still owned by the Herreshoff Marine Museum, together with its builder's plate.

Does anyone know what this boat is?

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: Herreshoff "Pearl"
« on: January 13, 2017, 12:22:01 AM »
I am quite certain that the builder's plate #2032 that is attached to that boat is an original Herreshoff builder's plate. The number strongly suggests that it was for one of the Quincy Adams-built 12 1/2s from between 1943 and 1948.

Which is not to mean that the boat in the advertisement was built or designed by Herreshoff. There is nothing in those photos which suggests that boat to be a Herreshoff.

Which probably means the builder's plate has simply found a new home on another boat.

Herreshoff Boats For Sale / Re: Herreshoff bronze anchor windlass - NY40
« on: August 03, 2016, 11:12:15 AM »
Wonderful! Thank you so very much for posting these images (which have been duly saved)!

It had been my impression the rescue took place on July 3, 1933?


Please keep us posted of your findings!

In 1926 the Larchmont Yacht Club received a fleet of marconi-rigged 12 1/2s whose names all began with "Bull". Their sail insignia was a bull's eye, a large round dot surrounded by a circle. The class was variously called "Bull's Eyes" or "Bullseyes".

"Larchmont Bulls Eye Class.
[#987s] 1, Bull Finch, Larchmont Yacht Club
[#988s] 2, Bull Frog, Larchmont Yacht Club
[#989s] 3, Bull Head, H. L. Maxwell
[#990s] 4, Bull Pup, Alpheus Reybine
[#991s] 5, Bull Dog, Louis F. Bishop
[#1005s] 7 Bull Fish, Peter Jaffee" (Source: Anon. "Racing Numbers Long Island Sound Yacht Racing Association." Rudder, August 1928, p. 103.)

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: Where does sail # H 68 come from?
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:33:26 PM »
It appears I am slightly late responding to this question, my apologies. :-)

The date in the Construction Record is really misleading. It was originally "May 28/34" in ink. Someone then changed the 4 to a 1, making it a 1931 (and did so for all numbers from #1206 to #1211, i.e. the entire #1206 class of 12 1/2s). However, itis clear that the correct year for the entire class should be 1934.

As per the Construction Record the work order to build the #1206 class had indeed been issued 'Sept 8/31. But as per the contract for #1207s in the collection of the Herreshoff Marine Museum it was contracted for on the '30th day of June 1934' for a delivery 'on or about July 8, 1934'. This boat was thus built on speculation and could not be sold until two-and-a-half years later. The contract was signed by Stephen J. Watts, a boatbuilder in Marion, Mass.

Miscellaneous Herreshoff Topics / Re: Advice on Herreshoff windlass
« on: October 20, 2014, 09:54:30 PM »
The capstan I described and which your HREF linked to is for 5/16"
chain, not 5/16" rope. It stands about 13" high, with minimum barrel
diameter of about 3 1/2" and maximum diameter at the top about 8 1/4".
Max diameter at bottom plate is about 10", may be a bit more.

To identify your capstan it would be best for your to measure the
maximum chain thickness it can take (rope is around the barrel on top,
chain at the very bottom).

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