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Messages - Charles Barclay

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Whatever / Re: Bermuda?
« on: December 03, 2014, 12:42:24 AM »
Hoping for a return to Twelves too, or perhaps J's?

Miscellaneous Herreshoff Topics / Re: Advice on Herreshoff windlass
« on: October 16, 2014, 03:46:19 AM »
Hi Mike,

Sounds like a call is needed to MIT Curator Kurt Hasselbach.  The drawings are most likely archived.  You might also find someone conducting a restoration willing to purchase it from you. 

interesting find. 

Whatever / Re: Could really use some help in sorting out 4-"Q" class yachts
« on: September 26, 2014, 02:29:06 AM »
Today, the Q's like their larger Universal rule J's, would have the numbers assigned by a class association if it existed.  With several designers of Q's the next sail # assignment required cooperation and yet was subject to change down the road.  So an accurate number might be unique to a singular point in time.  As vessels moved out across the country the only reason to assume the sail number remained the same was habit.  The smaller and much more plentiful S's had sail numbers assigned by regions ie. S 8 in Hawaii is not S 8 on Narragansett Bay.  Yet, it is not unheard of prior to the national body assigning sail numbers for vessels to switch numbers.  Even today, I sail a boat with three mains and three different numbers, I always look up to verify when I check in. 

Herreshoff Q-Grayling currently carries Q-7--not likely a class sequential assignment since the vessel was launched in 1923.  See here from mid August:

Try here for some Q numbers:   It does look like Cotton Blossom II is Q 5. 

You may not like what you find with some questions popping up with different names associated with the same number.  Or several boats of the same name with different numbers over time.  For example, which of the several Nor'easter's are you looking at?

You might also try this registry thread:

The wikipedia citation on the Universal Rule will be of some help in general understanding but lacks the information you seek as well as contains several errors of fact. 

No one said it would be easy.  Good luck. 

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: AMORITA
« on: September 19, 2014, 01:39:36 AM »
She was at NYYC's 160th Race Annual Regatta this summer:

Taking the 10-boat Swan 42 class was Charles Kenehan’s Mahalo, which represents one of the New York Yacht Club’s eight different commissioned one-design classes, celebrated this evening at the Annual Regatta Dinner held at New York Yacht Club at Harbour Court.  A “Century of One-Design Racing” will feature the New York (NY) 30 Amorita, a Herreshoff design built in 1905, dockside and dressed for inspection. “She is the oldest yacht (1905) competing here and represents one of the very first one-design classes ever, certainly the oldest of the club’s, with the newest being the Swan 42,” said Amorita’s co-owner Bill Doyle, who is also racing the boat here. An NY 50 named Spartan is also sailing in the regatta; a 72-foot Herreshoff design, she was built in 1915 and today won Class 4.  (

She placed 6th of 7 in Green Class, Non Spinnaker (NFS) under CRF.  (

Miscellaneous Herreshoff Topics / How was the Herreshoff regatta?
« on: August 26, 2014, 08:26:28 PM »
Did you sail, how was it?

Herreshoff Boats For Sale / Re: Herreshoff 15 for sale?
« on: August 21, 2014, 05:15:13 PM »
I saw this a week ago knew it was a fake...the shear strake is not finished bright.

Miscellaneous Herreshoff Topics / Re: Winnie of Bourne
« on: August 18, 2014, 09:26:03 PM »
Starboard hole.  Vessel sunk.  Rule 14 says they both are, key word "shall":

A boat shall avoid contact with another boat if reasonably possible.
However, a right-of-way boat or one entitled to room or mark-room
(a) need not act to avoid contact until it is clear that the other boat
is not keeping clear or giving room or mark-room, and
(b) shall be exonerated if she breaks this rule and the contact does
not cause damage or injury.

Herreshoff Designs Not Built By HMCo / Re: Weight of an 18' Scout
« on: August 14, 2014, 08:20:14 PM »
Hi Golfin Joe,  try:

Looks like 2000#

Restoration / Re: Hull #1498 Restoration
« on: July 30, 2014, 08:48:55 AM »

Full jib boom or three quarter?

Gaff or marconi?

Reef points?


Tracks or lacing, loose footed main with shelf?

Can we keep peppering you with questions?

Well done, sir!

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: looks like we found 12 1/2 #1281
« on: July 27, 2014, 10:45:35 PM »

Respond to his email advert on Craig's List.

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: looks like we found 12 1/2 #1281
« on: July 15, 2014, 02:14:23 AM »
Great work Adam!

That's why they call you the "Administrator".   ;)

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: looks like we found 12 1/2 #1281
« on: July 14, 2014, 05:28:01 PM »
HH makes a great point.

What else may be determined from the ad, which is reprinted here:

herreshoff 12 1/2 hull # 1281 - $10000 (brunawick me)

90% restored needs sum one to finish all original hardware and hull # plaque on trailer great project for the price tex for more info

From the punctuation, or lack of it, one suspects all the original hardware is there, there is a trailer, and it needs work.  Maybe not, maybe that's what it needs and all there was left was the builder's plate.  I'd also suggest it's a young person ("sum" for some).   Perhaps a great grandson of the original owner. 

No further information based on your contact Adam?  No further pictures than the mounted plate?

Herreshoff Boats For Sale / #1281 May be 'Found'
« on: July 02, 2014, 10:46:32 PM »
From Maine's Craigslist:

herreshoff 12 1/2 hull # 1281 - $10000 (brunawick me)

90% restored needs sum one to finish all original hardware and hull # plaque on trailer great project for the price tex for more info
do NOT contact me with unsolicited services or offers

Here is the link if interested:

Herreshoff Boats For Sale / Re: S-Class Mokulele For Sale - Hawaii
« on: June 19, 2014, 09:51:15 PM »

Understood.  The 12 1/2 is an easy trailer--you can still take her to championships etc.  (wife might wish to go too!).

By the way, US Sailing's banner on its home page now sports a 12 1/2 on the fourth picture.

The S requires a few more crew to race.  Lucky Pierre, as a Lawley built S, appears not to have a rub rail built in the sheer strake.  Nor does Mokulele.  But Volunteer in NJ, (also Lawley built) does.

If however, your wife changes her mind....I can have the keel and parts palletized in a day for transport. 

Till then, we'll keep reposting the ad. 

Herreshoff Boats For Sale / Re: S-Class Mokulele For Sale - Hawaii
« on: June 18, 2014, 09:25:17 PM »

How about we talk shipping the keel and the remaining fittings instead of the whole boat?

You could put a bow on it and say, "Gee Honey, I got it for you!"

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