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Information like this is always appreciated, thank you very much!

Boston Boat Works was founded by Scott Smith and Mark Lindsay and they are still associated with the company as per its website.

Time to contact them?

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: 12 1/2 named Jamie
« on: May 02, 2017, 06:20:48 PM »
Good thinking, Adam. That's probably what it is. Thanks for your thoughts. Amusing that the seller is putting the photo of Minx' builder's plate in. Misleading, too.

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: 12 1/2 named Jamie
« on: April 25, 2017, 05:48:06 PM »
The Herreshoff Marine Museum does not know more about this boat (Jamie) other than that the builder's plate displayed in the advertisement for Jamie is identical (and I mean identical not duplicate) to the one attached to the Museum's own #1376s Minx. Which would imply that the Jamie advertisement features a builder's plate that does not belong to Jamie. Hence my original inquiry.

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / 12 1/2 named Jamie
« on: April 19, 2017, 02:28:23 PM »
See "Used Sail boat Herreshoff 12 for sale located in Annapolis,MD,United States, founded in 1981. The manufacturer of boat - Herreshoff. It`s overall length is 4.88 meters. Engine uses fuel. You can get it just for 19500 USD."

The information in the advertisement (built 1981, uses fuel) is strange.

What's even stranger is that one of the photos clearly shows a #1376 builder's plate.

That would be #1376s Minx which, as I just confirmed, is still owned by the Herreshoff Marine Museum, together with its builder's plate.

Does anyone know what this boat is?

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: Herreshoff "Pearl"
« on: January 13, 2017, 12:22:01 AM »
I am quite certain that the builder's plate #2032 that is attached to that boat is an original Herreshoff builder's plate. The number strongly suggests that it was for one of the Quincy Adams-built 12 1/2s from between 1943 and 1948.

Which is not to mean that the boat in the advertisement was built or designed by Herreshoff. There is nothing in those photos which suggests that boat to be a Herreshoff.

Which probably means the builder's plate has simply found a new home on another boat.

Herreshoff Boats For Sale / Re: Herreshoff bronze anchor windlass - NY40
« on: August 03, 2016, 11:12:15 AM »
Wonderful! Thank you so very much for posting these images (which have been duly saved)!

It had been my impression the rescue took place on July 3, 1933?


Please keep us posted of your findings!

In 1926 the Larchmont Yacht Club received a fleet of marconi-rigged 12 1/2s whose names all began with "Bull". Their sail insignia was a bull's eye, a large round dot surrounded by a circle. The class was variously called "Bull's Eyes" or "Bullseyes".

"Larchmont Bulls Eye Class.
[#987s] 1, Bull Finch, Larchmont Yacht Club
[#988s] 2, Bull Frog, Larchmont Yacht Club
[#989s] 3, Bull Head, H. L. Maxwell
[#990s] 4, Bull Pup, Alpheus Reybine
[#991s] 5, Bull Dog, Louis F. Bishop
[#1005s] 7 Bull Fish, Peter Jaffee" (Source: Anon. "Racing Numbers Long Island Sound Yacht Racing Association." Rudder, August 1928, p. 103.)

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: Where does sail # H 68 come from?
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:33:26 PM »
It appears I am slightly late responding to this question, my apologies. :-)

The date in the Construction Record is really misleading. It was originally "May 28/34" in ink. Someone then changed the 4 to a 1, making it a 1931 (and did so for all numbers from #1206 to #1211, i.e. the entire #1206 class of 12 1/2s). However, itis clear that the correct year for the entire class should be 1934.

As per the Construction Record the work order to build the #1206 class had indeed been issued 'Sept 8/31. But as per the contract for #1207s in the collection of the Herreshoff Marine Museum it was contracted for on the '30th day of June 1934' for a delivery 'on or about July 8, 1934'. This boat was thus built on speculation and could not be sold until two-and-a-half years later. The contract was signed by Stephen J. Watts, a boatbuilder in Marion, Mass.

Miscellaneous Herreshoff Topics / Re: Advice on Herreshoff windlass
« on: October 20, 2014, 09:54:30 PM »
The capstan I described and which your HREF linked to is for 5/16"
chain, not 5/16" rope. It stands about 13" high, with minimum barrel
diameter of about 3 1/2" and maximum diameter at the top about 8 1/4".
Max diameter at bottom plate is about 10", may be a bit more.

To identify your capstan it would be best for your to measure the
maximum chain thickness it can take (rope is around the barrel on top,
chain at the very bottom).

Miscellaneous Herreshoff Topics / Re: Advice on Herreshoff windlass
« on: October 17, 2014, 05:27:27 PM »
What a nice find! Congratulations!

The photo which Mike referenced shows Nellie's capstan. Nellie was designed with a geared capstan for rope and for 5/16" and 3/8" chain. That's a standard capstan that was used on many Herreshoff yachts, both power and sail and including the Buzzards Bay 30s and the Bar Harbor 31s. It's a design from the late 1890s that was used until well into the 1930s.

The drawing number for this capstan is 112-43. Several versions of this drawing exist, dating from 1897 to 1939. The correct crank for this capstan is shown on drawing 112-58. These are the two drawings you'd have to obtain from M.I.T.

I find it intriguing that Neith, which was sailed over to England in 1921 and was owned there until she sailed back to the U.S. in 1970 had this type of winch. I assume the winch she has today is the original one, but it would be interesting to find out...

Miscellaneous Herreshoff Topics / Re: Herreshoff Legacy talk
« on: October 17, 2014, 05:20:53 PM »
Oops, I just see this.

Welcome to the forum, Mr. Hasselbalch! What an honor to have you here!

How was the talk? There were some amazing trophies and some amazing history behind them!

Miscellaneous Herreshoff Topics / Re: Herreshoff Drawings
« on: August 09, 2014, 08:09:22 PM »

Thanks for sharing!

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: looks like we found 12 1/2 #1281
« on: July 13, 2014, 11:21:13 PM »
Nice, indeed. But might the builder's plate mounted on a plaque suggest that the boat itself is gone?

This 12 1/2 was contracted for on August 5, 1935 for delivery on the next day to Edward Carroll Stollenwerck who lived from 1914-1996.

Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: Queen Mab/Vagrant
« on: June 03, 2014, 08:50:13 AM »
#698s Vagrant was built in 1910 for Harold Vanderbilt. In early 1914 he sold her to Hendon Chubb after the second "big" Vagrant (#719s) had been built for him in 1913. Chubb renamed her Queen Mab and raced her very successfully, winning the Astor Cup in 1915. He kept her for only a few years before he sold her to Reginald C. Robbins of Marblehead, who in 1921 sold her on to Nathaniel P. Ayer of Boston. During the winter of 1921/22 she was converted to a staysail schooner by HMCo, becoming what L. Francis Herreshoff believed to have been the first American schooner with track and slides on the luff of her mainsail. Horace Binney became her new owner in 1926 and kept her until 1936 when she was sold W. A. W. Stewart who had just become commodore of the N.Y.Y. C. Under Stewart's ownership she won the Astor Cup twice, in 1936 and 1937, and the Commodore's Cup in 1938. After that Queen Mab quickly went through several owners, including the Federal Insurance Company in 1939, Summer Pingree in 1941, and James B. Crockett in 1947. In 1947 she was bought by Glenn Myers of Los Angeles and was moved to the West Coast. From 1950 to 1954 she was owned by Stanley Runyan, still homeported in L.A. Then came the long period of 21 years of ownership by Phyllis B. Brunson and Robert L Pringle that has been alluded to above. During these years Queen Mab was raced a lot, including nine consecutive Los Angeles to Honolulu Transpac races. By the late 1970s Queen Mab was doing charter work in the Carribean. There she was "discovered" by the Dutchman Hans Lammers, who acquired her in 1976 and gave her back her old name Vagrant. She continued to charter but lost both her masts in a severe gust in 1984 when she was bought by British America's Cup challenger Peter de Savary who, over the course of two years, had her restored in Antigua back to gaff rig (done by Spencer Rigging of West Cowes, Isle of Wight). De Savary brought her to Europe and kept her until 1991 when she was acquired by her current Japanese owners.

I hope this answers some of the above questions.

Anyone interested in Herreshoff schooners should try to at least get a look at Taglang, Jacques. Mariette and the Herreshoff Schooners. Two vols. Eynesse, 2010. It's really good!

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