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Thursday night, Fred Roy, owner of S-Boat Surprise, and long time Commodore of the Narragansett Bay S-Class Association (www.nbsclass.org),was awarded US Sailingís One Design Award for his tireless work in promoting the Herreshoff S-Class Association. 

As many of you know the S-Class celebrated its 100th Anniversary last year.  The venerable design had 93 HMCo built boats, 7 Lawley built boats, and two built by sailors in US Navy in Pearl Harbor in 1930-31 (Mokihana and Mokulele).  About 50 of the boats are still extant and active with active fleets in Newport, Western Long Island, and Quisset.  The class was contracted and designed in the fall of 1919 with the first boat launching in late winter of 1920. 

I havenít spoken with Fred in several years so it would be interesting to hear his take on what led to the award.  I can say he is enthusiastic about the design and the people who sail them.  He takes great care to return emails promptly, and makes newbies feel at ease.  He is generous with information and makes sure itís not a one-man show, ie he gets others involved. 

Fredís tireless work included Surpriseís rebuild about 30 years ago, a more recent rebuild that took place at Jens Langeís fine shop Baltic Boatworks.  Fred races thew weeknight series through his home club Newport Yacht Club and weekend events.  He brings new people aboard Surprise, and promotes local shipwrights for their work.   I met Fred in 2011 and can well attest to his enthusiastic support of the class.  If you want to know more about the S-Class long time class members Alan and Cory Silken published a book on the class last year that is available through Amazon or Shermanís book stores here in Maine for about $60.   

Congratulations Fred!

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Restoration / Re: Winch ID
« on: January 16, 2020, 03:08:16 PM »
Welcome KDRUM!  Interesting. 

Have you fully disassembled the winch?  Perhaps you will find more clues. 

In looking at the winch drawings HHistory linked there is a note dated late in 1919 for the 828 Class or what would become the S-Boats.   

Two things to keep in mind:  owners sometimes modify a part when they cannot get the original replacement part, and  sometimes parts were copied.  I'm not saying this isn't Herreshoff, let us know if you confirm it. 

Thanks for bringing the topic forward. 

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Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: #1385 S Boat "Clara J"
« on: January 09, 2020, 01:00:04 AM »
Great follow up Dave!  Wonderful pictures of Ann and her yacht. 

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Herreshoff Sailing Vessel Classes / Re: Looking to identify a 31' Catboat
« on: January 09, 2020, 12:50:29 AM »
Sure, it's possible.  They have a huge small boat collection. 

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Restoration / Re: Original-look paint for half model HMCo #486
« on: November 20, 2019, 10:46:43 PM »
Interesting question.

LFH wrote about making their own bottom paint, I don't recall if he discussed making topside paint as well. 

Chances are good the hulls were repainted by a local yard every couple of years if not annually. 

Hodgdon's in Boothbay has been around since 1816, and certainly had plenty of Herreshoff's over the years in question.  Do you have a local yard that's been around for a 120 years or so?

Good luck.

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Herreshoff Sailing Vessel Classes / Re: Looking to identify a 31' Catboat
« on: November 07, 2019, 08:48:23 PM »
Hi Patty,

Welcome to the Herreshoff Registry Forum.

I checked the Herreshoff production record for 1913 this morning and confirmed no catboat built that year. 

There is often a builder's plate or carving to look for. 

Look familiar, anyone?

Charles

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For those interested, the Museum wants to sell S-Boat Spray (#913, 1924) with original spars and aluminum mast for $8,000.  It is in need of restoration and has been at the Museum out of the water for more than a decade. 

They are also selling three H 12 1/2s:

Canouan 1938-1940, described in Fair Condition, last sailed in 2016, $7,500

Nina #986, 1925, Fair Condition, $10,000

Hurrah ca 1930, restored by IYRS in 2009, sailed every year since, $25,000.

If you would like more information, contact Bill Lynn at the Museum or private message me and I'll send you the museum's email offering these boats.

As a reminder, Fall is a beautiful time to pick up a boat, you save the owner's storage and get a chance to refresh items on a boat without a full restoration and sail it the following season.  Nina and Canouan above look like they could use some attention that could be handled over the winter whereas Spray needs quite a bit more attention/restoration before hitting the water again.   

Cheers,

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Forum Guidelines / Re: Buzzard Bay 14 trailer and sails
« on: October 17, 2019, 03:27:55 PM »
I might try Coastal Boatworks, Chasse etc. for a used trailer.  Even the yards over in Harpswell/Georgetown.

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Forum Guidelines / Re: Buzzard Bay 14 trailer and sails
« on: October 15, 2019, 05:18:06 PM »
Captain Kev,

Welcome to the Herreshoff Registry.

October is a beautiful time to order sails.  North and Quantum both have significant discounts through Halloween.  This is pretty typical, among other things it builds a backlog of sail orders for the winter for smaller lofts as well.  It's like buying appliances in January.  Now is the time. 

Here in Maine you have a North Loft in Freeport, Eric Baldwin is a prince of a guy; and in Portland you have Carter White running the Quantum loft.  Carter is a top notch J24 sailor.  Both are great guys and easy to work with. 

You can also go to smaller lofts.  I have experience with Hallet Sails and Canvas (Meghan Hallet) in Falmouth, and Stephanie Helms at Gulf of Maine Sailing Systems.  Both will give you individual care and provide quality work. 

If you pm, text or call me at (808)-888-9494 I can give you their emails or phone #.

Trailer's--

The BB14 weighs about 1800# so a 2000-3000 trailer is adequate.  A single wheel/axle is fine for this size boat.
 
Choose Aluminum (reduced weight) or galvanized steel (less expensive). 

Choose adjustable stands or flat bed trailers (available at Home Depot and the like) if you have a cradle for the boat. 

There is a place in Waldoboro that customizes trailers.  Lots of choices in Maine.  Keep your eyes open for used ones too.  I bought a Venture 1250 from Chasse Marine in Damariscotta this spring, good people. 

Choose your suspension:  torsion (more expensive, softer ride for boat) or spring suspension (more common, easily replaced).  Big tires offer additional cushion. 

The choices comes down to will you be roading the boat frequently or just to and from the haulout facility or ramp to your storage or restoration facility.  Another consideration is do you plan on selling the boat with the trailer. 

If you have a short drive from launch to winter facility a flat bed with a cradle will provide extra flexibility.  If you plan on travelling with the boat or selling it with the trailer get one with the adjustable stands or beds. 

If you plan on launching from a ramp, the boat has a 3.5' depth or thereabouts and the trailer should have a long or extendable tongue. 

Hope that helps.  Call if you have questions.

Charles

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Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: Yankee R Class Boat
« on: September 27, 2019, 11:20:19 PM »
Thanks for the post.  Quite unusual to have such a boom on smaller Universal rule boats. 

The athwart-ship tracks were to adjust the camber of the main, the wide boom was believed to create a "plate effect" to increase pressure on the lower part of the sail.   

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Herreshoff Boats For Sale / Re: Looking for an Eagle or America
« on: September 07, 2019, 12:43:55 AM »
Hi PJ,

Thanks for visiting Herreshoff Registry. 

Members are welcomed to offer their boats up here, but you might also check Craigslist along the east coast from Maine to Florida.  Local brokers as well. 

And if you see a boat you like, carry a note card and a ziplock bag and zip tie it to the boat.  Saying something nice about the boat you see increases the likelihood the owner will respond.  Fall is right around the corner, you never know when someone will make that move. 

Charles

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Restoration / Re: Outboard for Eagle 22
« on: July 20, 2019, 01:04:42 PM »
Welcome,

"Optimal" is a choice word for engine size on a sailboat. 

Decide on how you want to mount/use it:  always hung off the stern, side mount, removed for racing, in and out of a tight marina only, port to port on a long quiet sound or bay, etc.

If you plan to regularly remove it, smaller is better--3 hp.

If you plan on using for longer runs, and leave it on the stern, up to 6 hp.  Anything more is overkill. 

The electric torquedo's are nice for compact size, thrust, and quiet. 

Nice question, come back to the Herreshoff Forum as you progress. 

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Herreshoff Designs Not Built By HMCo / Re: HA18 Sail Cover
« on: April 21, 2019, 04:15:00 PM »
Hi Bruce,

Welcome to the Herreshoff Registry forum.

Most canvas makers (experience does matter) will be able to measure your boom and make one pretty easily.  They will use quality thread and fabric and closures. 

An off the shelf cover from, say West Marine, is a common denominator product and likely ill fitting.  Good Sunbrella fabric and thread, well cared for (wash with fresh water and wash the guano off regularly) will be a 20+ year investment.  Take care of chafe too. 

Custom fit is a good thing here.  Recommend getting references from your local sailing community on a good canvas maker or one from the Bristol or Narragansett areas that would be familiar with the vessel. 

Charles

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Miscellaneous Herreshoff Topics / Re: Arrluuk information required
« on: March 17, 2019, 10:27:25 PM »
Welcome Gerhard,

Typically we need more information but an easy internet search shows this is a cold molded Bounty model of LF Herreshoff (design 58).  It is 66' LOA and not quite 58 on deck.

S/V Bounty (Arrluuk), 57'6" ketch
L. Francis Herreshoff Design # 58 Location: Oxford, MD

The boat sails well, is a well regarded yacht, and has had a few dozen replicas built. 

Charles

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Specific Herreshoff Vessels / Re: renovation
« on: March 17, 2019, 10:18:45 PM »
We need more information to assist in identification. 

HMCo built more than a dozen S-Boats (27.5' LOA, 20' LWL) in 1926 and a few 24' LOA Buzzards Bay/Newport 15's.  Neither are quite 26'.

You are more likely looking at a LF Herreshoff design. 

A picture, name, class, builder, or something more illuminating is necessary to assist.

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